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Jan 25, 2012 18:05:29 GMT -5
Post by CJ on Jan 25, 2012 18:05:29 GMT -5
Just to make it clear, yes, I am Robin/Jason Ambrose/Violent Conduct and I would like to thank those that sent them for their messages of support. For me, the past is very much in the past and the focus now is entirely on the future, so let's get on with it and make things great around here. There's a lot of work to do, as is often the case with resurrecting anything, but nothing worth doing was ever easy. (Please excuse the typos, I am doing this from my phone.) Before I even respond to this, I want to wish Warrior good luck. I didn't really get to work with you in any capacity but from what Jaden has spoke of you, this place is in good hands. (See my following thread.) So, with that said, I hope you read this response for what it is and do not delete it. It is not meant to start drama at all. I am just speaking up as a member here.. or former member I guess now. I have a right to be heard, of course, as long as I do it respectively of course. So here it is. I am going to step away from the EUW permently. When I first checked on the site a few days ago, I did so with the thought that I would rejoin you all. I had no idea that the EUW had reopened. That is awesome. The roleplayers here that I know are top notch. I couldn't wait to dive back in! And, like I just said, Jaden told me about Warrior and that added to my excitement. Then a few things stuck out. First, I noticed and heard that Obi and Jaden left. This is rediculous to me. Anyone that has been a part of this fed for longer than the last 6 months should know that they were the heart of the place. To just up and say "fuck it" and not even try to gain them back is complete crap. I know that most do not know the situation as to why they left, (I don't know the complete story either) but the bottom line is, they gave a lot to this fed, more than most of us have. Actually, all of us. This is craziness to think that no one gives a shit if they left. Then you have Sabora, then Bane and Linc... then Phil? There is obviously a problem? I did my homework as to why before I asked to rejoin and then I found out the reason... To keep this respectful, I am going to be light about this. Those men above are NEEDED here. They are what makes the EUW... EUW. Sure, the new people here may bring in the next generation but let's be straight here. Those guys built this place... and rebuilt it.. and rebuilt it. Someone make this right?? Lastly, the whole Jace Ambrose issue. I have no problem with him rejoining us. What I DO have a problem with is him as a staff. He up and left the other staff here to carry the drama that was currently going on at the time. If anything, he fucked over Jaden the most. His reason? He hated drama? Welcome to efedding... it sucks but it happens. Staff deal with that shit. He was actually brought back to be a staff? I heard that the reason was "he didn't do anything to Warrior.." You're right Warrior. He didn't. He did it .... to the EUW. Jace needs to EARN the right to be staff. Choose someone who actually deserves it, like Natalie or Brandon. They work their asses off here. I respect them both. What about Diabolik? He has been here long enough. Why choose a person who decides to flight... instead of fight. I won't go into the fact that Jace was (Yes, I know people too) still around mailing folks, stirring the pot, hoping Jaden or the EUW would fail. This is your staff? There is no way in hell that he will "judge" my roleplays as do alot of others feel that way. Of course he wants to move forward. Basically, He shit in the EUW's yard and still wants to live in it. Lastly, why didn't all these people try to help out Phil when he needed help? He asked for people to join on the card and no one did. As soon as I found out, I rushed here but it was too late. Phil worked his ass off man. No wonder he is pissed. Okay, I said my peace. I really loved this place. I made my mistakes here but I did what I could to fix them. I earned my place. I felt that everyone should know what it going on. I don't speak for no one but myself. Respect needs to be given to those who left. Otherwise, this isn't the EUW. This will be just another fed on gamefaqs that puts over the same tired people time and time again with tainted judging. Good luck to the others here. I do hope this gets sorted. -Chuck Johnson. P.S: Stripping everyone of the titles is bullshit. Burrows, Young and TITAN deserve to have them. That's terrible. I believe it was done once before and the results did not justify it at all. Let Burrows keep her strap, don't lose it. People have been fighting for that strap long enough and it means something to them. Same with Brandon and the hardcore belt. Let him carry it at least RP wise. Otherwise, you just wasted their time roleplaying for it, and shit on the last year here. As for TITAN, I would be PISSED if I had won that belt from him at Prestige. Beating him was near impossible and if I had, only for you to strip it.... would have been career ending. It obviously was for him as well. That man deserved better then that... I won't be participating here until these changes are made. Others are on the fence too. I will be spreading the word around the fed community about Jace as well. Warrior, I have heard great things about you. Rethink that one. It's in your court. Just remember, you can bring in new people to fill the holes in the roster, but they aren't the friends you knew. It won't be ... home.
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Jan 25, 2012 19:12:35 GMT -5
Post by Commissioner Warrior™ on Jan 25, 2012 19:12:35 GMT -5
I'll address this a little at a time, because there's so much ridiculousness here.
One, the titles. We have eight people on the roster. On what planet does it make sense to have THREE singles titles with eight people. Almost half the roster are champions. It's illogical. I vacated the championships entirely because of balance issues. If I have eight people on the roster, and my two best people be two separate champions. I love X and everyone, and respect them, but also understand that I've been a part of EUW for over five years.
I'm sorry that because of one person who I still respect, even if they reacted negatively to some drama, something which you, Sabora, X, Obi, Bull, Nat, and a billion other people have done. Something happens that you don't like, it's completely understandable to have a negative reaction to it. Jace's reaction, rather than bitching about it on the boards, he chose to leave because of the situation. Was it the best course of action? Maybe not, but I still trust Jace, just like I still trust all of y'all, because it is illogical for me to remove all faith in you after one incident. Based on what I've heard, Jace's situation was one incident, which he has put behind him just like I have.
Obi talked to me about the vacation and specifically told me he understood and trusted me, and that he'd be back once he was healed and wanted to take time off anyways. He's still welcome back, which a perfectly deserved World Title Match or logically a storyline where the character denies not being champion and there could be an ensuing legit champ vs. new champ storyline.
Nat I've also talked to specifically, and she completely understood once I made the balance issue clear. She has no issue with the vacation anymore, and we've discussed ways of handling it within the storyline that work to keep intact that progress that had been made in recent months.
Jace is specifically the one who made an effort to help me with much of the storylines that have occurred over the past months. The last thing I want is to just do away with the work that was done by X and Phil.
I meant no disrespect to Phil or anyone else, and specifically checked with X, Obi, and Phil prior to seriously approaching taking the helm again and receiving the go ahead from each other. I'm sorry that by including Jace, someone entirely willing and wanting to help out, that Obi, X, Sabora, and whoever else have decided to quietly throw a fit and leave. I'm sorry that this is affecting you that much too CJ.
But if the inclusion of ONE person is enough to keep them away from home, then I don't know what to say to them. There is one person I've dealt with, ever, in my entire career in EUW, that if they were Staff, would keep me away. And they've done so much more than anyone else here, on a multitude of occasions, and deliberately tried to sabotage EUW many times. That's the ONE person I'll never allow back, in any capacity. Most everyone who needs to, knows who I'm talking about.
No one else falls under that mindset to me. And I'm sorry that my bringing back of Robin pissed them off, but Robin is a good staff member and match writer who I am happy to be working with. I am not going to bend and deny good help because some people throw a fit.
I covered the title vacation, and have talked to the people that pertains to, and they understand the situation. I've now covered Jace as well so everyone understands. If you still have a problem with that and refuse to stay, then I'm sorry. Feel free to come back anytime each of y'all. Also feel free to contact me with any questions about all of this. Yes CJ, the ball is in my court, and I am not budging. I know what I'm doing.
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Jan 25, 2012 19:24:24 GMT -5
Post by kris on Jan 25, 2012 19:24:24 GMT -5
I'm not going to respond to most of this post, since it's not really my place to do so.
I've expressed my displeasure over being stripped of the Lionheart championship numerous times, so doing so again would be beating a dead horse. I've come up with a workable solution, hence compromising on the issue-- something that you and a lot of the 'old guard' flat-out refuse to even consider. I won't lie and say that things are spiffy-keen, but they're improving. Time will tell if those improvements will continue.
As for three of the people leaving, two of which you seem to be more torn up over than the others? Their reason for doing so is beyond immature and hypocritical since they were to be forgiven when they asked for it, but they can't do the same in return. Frankly, I won't miss them in the slightest. One of those three in question also disappointed me greatly with his actions... but I'm not going to get into it since, again, there is no point in doing so.
What I will say... is this.
No, Warrior did not come to me or Brandon to ask us to be staff-- and even if he were, at least I wouldn't accept. Not because I don't like being here in EUW, since I do... I've just got staff obligations elsewhere, and the last thing I'd want to do is to short him and the other staffers on account of that. And before you ask? No, no I'm not prepared to walk away from those other obligations in order to pitch in here. Not only do those obligations predate my time here in EUW, but I'm not the sort to just bail on something like that without due cause. As it is, I did a lot more to keep the EUW going near the end than a lot of the people that you're so upset to see go.
I didn't promise roster members that never materialized until well after it was too late, I didn't lie my ass off about other members of the roster in order to try to discredit how they were calling me on the favortism and other shit that I pulled, I didn't agree to be a member of staff before leaving Phil high and dry with no support... instead? I asked what needed done, and I did it, simple as that. He needed a segment? He had it-- and I offered to do more besides that. I knew my opponent for Prestige wasn't showing up? I promoed like he was going to in order to earn it instead of just posting three sentences and calling it good. Hell, I even swallowed a lot of the bullshit that some of those buddies of yours tried to shove down my throat in the name of keeping the peace despite thinking that they needed to go fuck a chainsaw. (On a side note; yes, yes I do still feel that way in some cases. There's a lot I don't abide by, and lying? Tops that list.)
In closing, if you're going to take your ball and go home, laying out demands like you're some of that old guard that wanted their asses kissed... then by all means, do so. I can't say that I know you enough to miss you, truth be told.
(Also, on a side note... I've spoken with Phil, and he didn't delete his account because of Jace becoming a member of staff. I'd suggest talking to him to get his reasons since I'm not about to go spilling his business beyond that.)
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Jan 25, 2012 21:44:01 GMT -5
Post by Obi on Jan 25, 2012 21:44:01 GMT -5
I'm not going to respond to most of this post, since it's not really my place to do so.
I've expressed my displeasure over being stripped of the Lionheart championship numerous times, so doing so again would be beating a dead horse. I've come up with a workable solution, hence compromising on the issue-- something that you and a lot of the 'old guard' flat-out refuse to even consider. I won't lie and say that things are spiffy-keen, but they're improving. Time will tell if those improvements will continue.
As for three of the people leaving, two of which you seem to be more torn up over than the others? Their reason for doing so is beyond immature and hypocritical since they were to be forgiven when they asked for it, but they can't do the same in return. Frankly, I won't miss them in the slightest. One of those three in question also disappointed me greatly with his actions... but I'm not going to get into it since, again, there is no point in doing so.
What I will say... is this.
No, Warrior did not come to me or Brandon to ask us to be staff-- and even if he were, at least I wouldn't accept. Not because I don't like being here in EUW, since I do... I've just got staff obligations elsewhere, and the last thing I'd want to do is to short him and the other staffers on account of that. And before you ask? No, no I'm not prepared to walk away from those other obligations in order to pitch in here. Not only do those obligations predate my time here in EUW, but I'm not the sort to just bail on something like that without due cause. As it is, I did a lot more to keep the EUW going near the end than a lot of the people that you're so upset to see go.
I didn't promise roster members that never materialized until well after it was too late, I didn't lie my ass off about other members of the roster in order to try to discredit how they were calling me on the favortism and other shit that I pulled, I didn't agree to be a member of staff before leaving Phil high and dry with no support... instead? I asked what needed done, and I did it, simple as that. He needed a segment? He had it-- and I offered to do more besides that. I knew my opponent for Prestige wasn't showing up? I promoed like he was going to in order to earn it instead of just posting three sentences and calling it good. Hell, I even swallowed a lot of the bullshit that some of those buddies of yours tried to shove down my throat in the name of keeping the peace despite thinking that they needed to go fuck a chainsaw. (On a side note; yes, yes I do still feel that way in some cases. There's a lot I don't abide by, and lying? Tops that list.)
In closing, if you're going to take your ball and go home, laying out demands like you're some of that old guard that wanted their asses kissed... then by all means, do so. I can't say that I know you enough to miss you, truth be told.
(Also, on a side note... I've spoken with Phil, and he didn't delete his account because of Jace becoming a member of staff. I'd suggest talking to him to get his reasons since I'm not about to go spilling his business beyond that.) wow... Give me a minute to collect my thoughts as I hate to respond in anger. I will though. I just am in disbelief that this whole thing has turned into such damn bullshit. I will leave you all with a thought though before I can fully respond. I didn't ask for ANYONE to respect me nor did I try to live up to anyone's expectations. I left on my accord with no speeches or bullshit like this. I would appreciate it, and you know what I am talking about, if I was not drug through the mud on this. If I disappointed someone.. that's their problem, not mine. I do this hobby for me, not anyone else here. When it became not fun, I left. Just as Jace did as was pointed out..
Unbelievable..
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Jan 25, 2012 22:01:07 GMT -5
Post by kris on Jan 25, 2012 22:01:07 GMT -5
wow... Give me a minute to collect my thoughts as I hate to respond in anger. I will though. I just am in disbelief that this whole thing has turned into such damn bullshit. I will leave you all with a thought though before I can fully respond. I didn't ask for ANYONE to respect me nor did I try to live up to anyone's expectations. I left on my accord with no speeches or bullshit like this. I would appreciate it, and you know what I am talking about, if I was not drug through the mud on this. If I disappointed someone.. that's their problem, not mine. I do this hobby for me, not anyone else here. When it became not fun, I left. Just as Jace did as was pointed out..
Unbelievable.. By and large, what disappointed me about your actions was how you left, deleting your account for TITAN and everything, over something so bloody trivial as someone coming back to EUW and being staff in order to help Warrior out-- or, at least, that's what I recall being told by said fellow when we spoke about it last night. If that's the case, then I'm not about to excuse that since it is the pinnacle of immaturity, to be perfectly honest, and something that I thought you to be better than-- if not, then I'll gladly take the lump for remembering wrong.
However, if you took my post as calling you a liar, as accusing you of sitting back on the sidelines and letting the EUW that ran under Phil die... I apologize, because I know you were sick and, unlike your brother and Sabora? You've given me no reason to not believe you.
Frankly, had Jaden allowed things to be settled in the open instead of insisting that everyone put on a happy face and talk about people behind their backs only for it all to come out later once he was no longer allowed to stifle it? I don't think my post would've even been necessary.
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Jan 25, 2012 22:25:05 GMT -5
Post by Obi on Jan 25, 2012 22:25:05 GMT -5
wow... Give me a minute to collect my thoughts as I hate to respond in anger. I will though. I just am in disbelief that this whole thing has turned into such damn bullshit. I will leave you all with a thought though before I can fully respond. I didn't ask for ANYONE to respect me nor did I try to live up to anyone's expectations. I left on my accord with no speeches or bullshit like this. I would appreciate it, and you know what I am talking about, if I was not drug through the mud on this. If I disappointed someone.. that's their problem, not mine. I do this hobby for me, not anyone else here. When it became not fun, I left. Just as Jace did as was pointed out..
Unbelievable.. By and large, what disappointed me about your actions was how you left, deleting your account for TITAN and everything, over something so bloody trivial as someone coming back to EUW and being staff in order to help Warrior out-- or, at least, that's what I recall being told by said fellow when we spoke about it last night. If that's the case, then I'm not about to excuse that since it is the pinnacle of immaturity, to be perfectly honest, and something that I thought you to be better than-- if not, then I'll gladly take the lump for remembering wrong.
However, if you took my post as calling you a liar, as accusing you of sitting back on the sidelines and letting the EUW that ran under Phil die... I apologize, because I know you were sick and, unlike your brother and Sabora? You've given me no reason to not believe you.
Frankly, had Jaden allowed things to be settled in the open instead of insisting that everyone put on a happy face and talk about people behind their backs only for it all to come out later once he was no longer allowed to stifle it? I don't think my post would've even been necessary. Okay, now that I had the time to cool off, let me just be straight up here. I feel very frustrated over this debacle. My intention was to step away with minimal issue or drama, and just go quietly. Obviously, that was not to be. Chuck had no permission to speak on my behalf. I do my own talking. His feelings are just that, his feelings. If people stepped away due to it, then they made that choice on their own. I never asked a single soul to follow me. Jaden is my brother, so him deciding to follow me was expected. Sabora is still here. So that is wrong. I think he just needs time away to sort things but don’t quote me. Again, I only speak for myself here.
I made a decision to step away, not based on one person or any one situation. It was just time to do so. Medically, I am not doing too well right now. I don’t have the mental capacity to write as well as I expect myself too. So, instead of wasting anyone’s time, I stepped away. At first, I was going to just take a break as Warrior stated. I fully intended to return as I told him. Upon hearing my brother being so upset over Jace’s staff position, I finally felt the okay to walk away. I am tired of drama and like it or not, Jace was a part of that mess. That mess also killed all of the momentum that the fed had going. Do I feel he should be staff? I honestly don’t give a shit. That isn’t my job to worry over. I think a little too much was made out of my choice to step away. I have nothing personal against Jace. I hardly feel me stepping away though is the same thing. Natalie, I have put years into this place, sometimes carrying 4 characters at once and never no showing the whole time in my stay here. I don’t need to explain why I walk away or feel sorry over it. I am “Old Guard” if there was one but NEVER in my time here did I ever try to hold anyone back or refuse change. I was more than understanding about the title vacancy idea. It’s just a hobby to me after all. Your comments seemed aimed at me, and I take offense to them. Bottom line, I gave my all to this fed for a long time now, I think I earned my stripes enough to step away without any negative reactions thrown my way or people claiming I disappointed them. If those comments were not aimed at me, then disregard this. I am just covering my bases here. Regardless, I still respect you Nat. This is all trivial bullshit. I am too old for this, lol.
As for Phil, he did work his ass off. He left for his own reasons that involved more than what most heard. When he is ready to explain them, he will. Otherwise, I think we should let him just relax in peace. He deserved it.
Chuck, I appreciate the sentiment. Really, I do. You came off as an asshole though. If you want to be that way then you have that choice. Just don’t fucking involve me in to it. Carry your own guilt. I worked too fucking hard here to be remembered as a dude who left over a fucking argument, especially one as stupid as this.
So, why did I leave? Obviously I didn’t delete my account as I am right here. Look at my post count, it’s my account. I left because I am tired. I am sick. All of that sad song, you know? I need a new start down the road, and fresh eyes. I think a break is in order for me, especially after all of this. I am not leaving due to Jace.. That’s just silly. Warrior is an old friend of mine, and I respect that. Even if I felt he was a dick head fed owner, and I don’t… I would still be there for him. To anyone who wishes to leave because I did.. Don’t. You will feel stupid later if / when I pop up here down the road. To anyone that feels “the old guard” has wronged them, I will never understand you. As for Jaden, I am done defending what he did here. It’s stupid. Drama in an efed is stupid. This is supposed to be fucking fun.
Natalie, I am going to let those comments slide. You have no idea or had no idea why I did what I did, but now you do. Immaturity? Immature is coming to conclusions based on half assed information. When I step away, I don’t do it rashly. Besides, it would be stupid to do so over drama. If anything, I am disappointed in you. When you and Jaden had your little argument, I steered clear. I am not him. I won’t respond the same way. I respect those who respect me… that’s the way it is. I don’t hide my intentions and the only men / women I lie to are people I fear.
That said, I haven’t told a lie in years…
So now, I am saying goodbye for now. I tried to refrain from this shit. I didn’t see the need in it. It seems some needed it though and I apologize for it, Warrior. I will always love the EUW. I leave with good memories here and good friends in my heart. I set out to tell a story, not win titles. So “this old guard” never wanted to be anything more than a friend. I told my story in the process, so I am done for now. I am sure we will speak again. I can never stay away for long. That’s it. I would appreciate it now if this bullshit could come to a close. What’s important now is the fed moving along and that I can step away with good thoughts. I don’t need anyone sticking up for me, I can handle my own business.
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Jan 25, 2012 22:30:32 GMT -5
Post by Obi on Jan 25, 2012 22:30:32 GMT -5
One last thing I left out. I deleted my TITAN account because there was no reason to have two anymore. That was blown WAY out of proportion.
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Jan 25, 2012 22:39:38 GMT -5
Post by Mr. T on Jan 25, 2012 22:39:38 GMT -5
By and large, what disappointed me about your actions was how you left, deleting your account for TITAN and everything, over something so bloody trivial as someone coming back to EUW and being staff in order to help Warrior out-- or, at least, that's what I recall being told by said fellow when we spoke about it last night. If that's the case, then I'm not about to excuse that since it is the pinnacle of immaturity, to be perfectly honest, and something that I thought you to be better than-- if not, then I'll gladly take the lump for remembering wrong.
However, if you took my post as calling you a liar, as accusing you of sitting back on the sidelines and letting the EUW that ran under Phil die... I apologize, because I know you were sick and, unlike your brother and Sabora? You've given me no reason to not believe you.
Frankly, had Jaden allowed things to be settled in the open instead of insisting that everyone put on a happy face and talk about people behind their backs only for it all to come out later once he was no longer allowed to stifle it? I don't think my post would've even been necessary. I disagree. You know what I think the pinnacle of immaturity is? Constantly being involved in drama on a fucking efed board.
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Jan 25, 2012 22:42:28 GMT -5
Post by Commissioner Warrior™ on Jan 25, 2012 22:42:28 GMT -5
I wanna take just a moment, regarding this whole situation, to apologize to you Obi. I was given the impression based on other things, but not based on anything you told me, that Jace had to do with your departure. Things compounded, and I was going to simply let things go without drama as we have happening now because everyone knows my opinion on it. I responded based on how I saw things, my apologies for the miscommunication and misinterpretation. You still have my utmost respect Obi.
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Jan 25, 2012 22:51:40 GMT -5
Post by Obi on Jan 25, 2012 22:51:40 GMT -5
I wanna take just a moment, regarding this whole situation, to apologize to you Obi. I was given the impression based on other things, but not based on anything you told me, that Jace had to do with your departure. Things compounded, and I was going to simply let things go without drama as we have happening now because everyone knows my opinion on it. I responded based on how I saw things, my apologies for the miscommunication and misinterpretation. You still have my utmost respect Obi. Likewise man. You are one of the closest friends I have made here. Respect all around.
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Jan 26, 2012 0:42:43 GMT -5
Post by The Cobra Viper on Jan 26, 2012 0:42:43 GMT -5
I disagree. You know what I think the pinnacle of immaturity is? Constantly being involved in drama on a fucking efed board. So while i know this topic is serious and dealing with issues that i will leave in the hands involved I would like to take this opportunity to say
OH MY GOD DANNY TENFOLD HE'S ALIVE! AND BACK! STOP THE PRESSES STOP THE PRESSES WE CAN'T LET THIS GO UNMENTIONED!!!!!!!!
DANNY TENFOLD SIGHTED IN THE EUW UNDER THE TOPIC "HOME" BY CJ!!!! DANNY TENFOLD IS ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jan 26, 2012 1:58:07 GMT -5
Post by Commissioner Warrior™ on Jan 26, 2012 1:58:07 GMT -5
PLEASE TELL ME SOMEONE STILL HAS A MASTERBALL! OR AT LEAST A QUICK BALL!
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Jan 26, 2012 3:32:05 GMT -5
Post by Diabolik on Jan 26, 2012 3:32:05 GMT -5
Y'know what? I've been actively trying not to get involved in fed politics and remain neutral ever since I came back from the ban. However, this time, I feel I have something to say.
Something important.
People, stop being so fucking silly.
Obi, when I mention people being silly, I do not mean you. You've stated your case perfectly clearly, and I can appreciate that. I've never had anything but respect for you. I hope you regain your good health soon, and I wish you all the best. However, no offence meant here, but if X truly left because Jace is a staffer now? That is stupid. We've not even given the man another chance to show that he can do this, and people are already up in arms about it. I say fuck that.
Jace deserves a second chance, whether you feel he was in the wrong or not. If he made mistakes, chances are he's had time to learn from them and mature as a person. I doubt he would actively aim to bring trouble to this fed.
Natalie, please, don't go around making assumptions and accusations. It's never a good idea to immediately jump on an idea without knowing all the facts. Trust me, I learned that one the hard way.
Tenfold, I can see your point, but you're being unnecessarily aggressive and hostile about it. All you're doing is insulting someone. Stop it. Also, welcome back, if you are returning.
Warrior, a lot of arguments would've been prevented if you had explained the full reasoning behind vacating the titles in the first place. Most people knew absolutely nothing about why, and made their own assumptions. Now, of course, i'm not trying to boss anyone around here, but I get the feeling if you'd been more forthcoming with the reasoning behind your decision making process, it would've saved a lot of hassle.
Also, finally, last but not least... CJ. I can understand why you would feel annoyed or wronged in some way, however, you need to calm down a bit. Saying you'll never join in unless changes are made is, well... It's not the right way to go about things. If anything, you should discuss things, and work out what problems you have, and how these could be resolved, then put it forth in a more polite and thought out manner, rather than an angry ranting essay of a post. Please, consider your position more carefully. Sure, some people are sitting on the fence, but surely this can all be figured out, right?
The best way to get people to join back in with EUW is not to rant and rave on the OOC boards about what changes "need to be made" before you'll join. The way we should be doing this is all pitching in a joint effort, and showing just how good this fed can be.
It's not just one man's job to make EUW shine, it's all of us.
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Jan 26, 2012 6:30:51 GMT -5
Post by The Sky King on Jan 26, 2012 6:30:51 GMT -5
Can't a man rest in peace around here? For Gods sake. Then again, guess it's the price to pay for deleting my account so quick. Yes, this is Phil, just in case anyone is confused.
Alright, first things first: Why did I delete my account? A number of reasons. Can't believe I have to explain them since I wanted to leave with only a few people knowing so the drama would be minimal.
1) I deleted my account quietly and without a massive farewell BECAUSE I DID NOT WANT ANY FUCKING DRAMA. I know the situation is somewhat rocky here with the insta-revival, so I wanted to just say my piece to my friends, say goodbye, and move on.
2) I did NOT delete my account because of Jace signing up. I'll go into that more later, but rest assured that, if I did want to leave cause of Jace, I would have ran for the hills the moment I saw the username "robin".
3) Now for the reasons: Reason number one: I've been here for 6 years (on and off here and there, but still technically around 6 years). I did some thinking, and y'know what? I'm normally humble, and i'm sorry if this comes off as arrogant (I'm trying not to be), but I have done it all and won it all here: I've faced damn near every opponent there has been, I've won each tier of title with different characters, I've even been inducted into the Hall of Fame. That's it. I know, I know, someone was hoping that I would be leaving because of some juicy dirt or politicking that's dying to be uncovered, but at the end of the day, that's the primary reason: 6 years. I'm one tired motherfucker, and if I return to fedding? I want it to be on fresher grass.
Maybe if the EUW once again starts to collapse, die and shrivel, I'll pop my head in. That's one huge 'maybe', though.
4) Reason number two, and something I won't bullshit about: Another reason I decided to walk was because I was pissed off with how things went down. Still am, actually. I gave it my all, I repeatedly asked for help, even begged for help, then I close the place down. 2 days later? Warrior suddenly appears and wants the fed. I give a Gallic shrug and give it to him. Barely 1 day later, it seems that people just can't wait to squirm out of the woodwork and come to help the fed! THAT pissed me off, I won't deny it. Warrior taking over in of itself? Not even phased. I was worried that my hard work would be fucked over, but Warrior has stated that's not the case. You know what I say? Alrighty then. I believe him. But people deciding they'll run to give me aid after I signal the death knoll? That's fucking bullshit, and I'm not happy about it. Look, could any of you even bare to look at people, knowing they didn't even give two fucks when you wanted help? I couldn't. I can't. I don't want to compete or Staff in a fed I know died under my hand, knowing that the people who could have helped, for whatever reason, didn't until after i'd made it clear I was done.
5) Reason number three, the final reason, and one that only really came to light after talking to a few people and taking time to scour the boards: After seeing the drama and the shit that goes on underneath the skin and even on the face of the EUW, it makes me want to widen my jaws like a snake and vomit my internal organs onto the floor. Trust me, knowing some of the stuff that bubbles underneath the skin..actually makes me kind of glad to be turning my back on it all. If anyone in EUW ever wants even the remotest chance of seeing me again, fix that shit for one. I'm guessing if you fixed it, the rest of the "Old Guard" (For the record, I HATE that word. I was no more part of the "Old Guard" than Obi is the King of Tibet. I was part of EUW.) might also come sniffing back too.
That's it. Those are my reasons for cutting and running so quickly. I had decided to initially stay to see the first show, but ultimately? Absolutely no point in doing so. If I was going to leave, I figured it'd be best to do it in the midst of the others leaving so that, hopefully, people would just shrug it off and continue.
For some fucking reason, we couldn't even have that luxury afforded to us.
..Should I have PMed Warrior? Probably. In all honesty, I just wanted to say my goodbyes and leave. I don't want to compete here anymore, don't want to Staff here anymore. I've seen it all. I've done it all. I know I told Warrior I might come back later down the line, and I apologise for leaving instantly (I only PMed a few people to say my goodbyes. Didn't see the point of posting it on the boards.), and I admit I took the decision to leave my account on the day I did so, but am I going to go back on it? No. It's time I walk down the road to fresher fields. I apologise if it surprised or offended Warrior, but it's my decision and I should at least be able to take it alone without having to return, and I say that it's time to leave a fed i've dedicated around 6 years of sweat, tears and work for. It's time to leave a fed which, in all honesty, has tired me out to the point where I could never be as effective as I was. It's time to leave a fed where, let's be honest, some drama still bubbles beneath the skin. I really hope no-one is going to accuse me of abandoning ship or taking my ball home, too: I left it in Warrior's hands because Warrior is the guy who took the husk of Extreme United Wrestling and made it into EUW. Sure, I've raised my eyebrows at some decisions he's made in the past, the whole Chance Fusion debacle made me wary, but in every respect, Warrior is the guy who'll revive the fed, I'm sure of it. I wouldn't have left so quickly if it was a newbie who took over, but since it was Warrior...He doesn't need me here, looking over his shoulder and giving him the occasional PM, grumbling at him to move things to the left or to the right. He knows what he's doing.
Anyway, onto the elephant in the room. Onto Jace. Jace....I originally held a tiny bit of animosity how he left originally. Upped and left when he had the ball rolling as a writer and left the Staff when we needed the manpower. However, after talking to a few members, after seeing how much he wants to help, and after seeing the work he's already putting in...Am I pissed? No. LIKE HELL I AM! Let him join on as Staff, he's doing a grand job. Who am I to question why he returned? He's helping the fed. He's working for the fed. Why does it even matter? Best of luck to him, I say. As he says, "the past is past". Takes a strong man to utter those words and mean it. Look at the work he's putting in: That's great.
CJ, I don't blame you for feeling the way that you do. I can see why you'd be upset, but the EUW doesn't need me anymore. Doesn't need Obi, Chris or Jaden (With every ounce of respect to those men) anymore. I understand why you feel what you feel towards Jace, but with all due respect...he's doing his damnedest here. That, in my book, is enough to redeem him tenfold for whatever he may have done to wrong people here. What would I have to offer beyond this? Anyone who knows me knows that i've been running on fumes for the past several months. As a Staff member, i've got no heart and no drive left, not after giving up ownership of a fed I wanted to do so much more for. As a writer, I'm just as tired. Writing Hetfield after the storyline that has been would make no sense to me. Should I have stayed a bit longer? Maybe.
Ultimately though, my time here is over, and you know what? I'm not going to sit here and say "I'm sorry it's come to this" or anything like that. This post is the last thing I wanted to do. I gave my piece to the Staff board, let them know why exactly I was pissed, gave my farewells through PMs, and wanted to walk out as such. Quite a few people should at least know the reason I was originally pissed. If you don't? Now you do. If anyone was wondering why I left so suddenly? Now you know. Are they shit reasons? Are people pissed off about it? Are any of you feeling sour to why exactly i'm leaving? If so, that's tough shit, and I won't shed a tear if anyone thinks differently of me or if anyone calls me stupid or silly. Want to judge me? Fine. I'll pretend to give a fuck. I guess i'll leave my account on these boards for a week or so, just in case anyone decides that they'll have something..anything to say to my face , but after that? I'm gone, and I'd sure as hell appreciate people just leaving my real name the fuck alone. I want to be remembered for Meltdown, I want to be remembered for Philip Storm, I want to be remembered as Maynard Hetfield. I want to be remembered as the guy who started at the bottom and worked his way to the top. I don't want to be remembered as the owner who failed, or the guy who left because he was pissed off. If anyone must remember me..remember me as Meltdown, the Hall of Famer. That's the least i'm asking.
But this is it, It's time to walk. By all means, mull over my motives for leaving, mull over the madness that pushed and pulled me in my final days, but me? I'm going to turn, walk down that road, and never look back. Maybe I will click on the boards now and again to see how things are, but as far as being in the OOC, being a writer or being a Staff member? Not any more.
I'm not sorry for what I did: I worked those final 3 months and put everything I could into them, from PMing members to make sure they were being handled right to tweaking the shows and making sure everything was a-okay. I'm not sorry for being pissed off towards how quick the fed was revived and how many people suddenly shot to their feet to help. I'm not sorry for leaving because I have done everything there is to do. I'm not sorry for the drama making me sick to my back teeth.
I leave you all in capable hands. Warrior is working hard. Jace is working hard. Members have joined. Members are busy working towards it. That's it: The next chapter of EUW will either be written or will fade into nothingness. Simple as that. You guys need me no more than you need a bullet to the chest. I have nothing to offer.
The watch has ended, the wine is drawn. It's time for me to walk down the road. If anyone really wants to say farewell or decide they want to take a little parting shot, do it now.
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Jan 26, 2012 9:41:16 GMT -5
Post by Christian Kane on Jan 26, 2012 9:41:16 GMT -5
Dumbest shit I've seen in a while, and I do some pretty stupid things. Calm down lads; you're pretending to be a wrestler on the internet at the end of the day, right? Best of luck to EUW in the future.
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Jan 26, 2012 11:31:36 GMT -5
Post by Commissioner Warrior™ on Jan 26, 2012 11:31:36 GMT -5
Specifically to Diabolik, I thought I had made it clear about the title vacation, but honestly that may have just been me knowing why I did it and not being simple enough in explaining it. That was my bad, and I'm sorry if it came off wrong.
Specifically to Phil, I still hold strong that you did a kickass job while you were here with what you had. Why it took circumstances like they were for people to step up, I don't know. Either way, you've always got my respect. Our stuff between Warrior and Meltdown/Philip Storm was a main highlight of my early career, and I still love to look back on it. Fuck the terms, when it's time to walk away, it's time to walk away. Take care Phil.
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Jan 26, 2012 11:53:08 GMT -5
Post by jaden on Jan 26, 2012 11:53:08 GMT -5
Holy shit, how unreal is all of this! Lol.
You know, I think Diabolik, Rob and C.K may be the smartest people here. Anyway, I guess I should actually respond to this shit since it seems the popular thing to do. Anyone who knows me though, knows that I am not going to follow suit and give the answers other people seek. I hate drama, I hate drawn out internet arguments as well. It’s stupid. It’s retarded even. Anyone who actually gets angry about shit on these boards needs a reality check in my opinion. So stay tuned! I am going to heat up some pizza rolls before I begin.
Oh yeah.. This is Jaden. lol
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Jan 26, 2012 11:58:47 GMT -5
Post by Justin King on Jan 26, 2012 11:58:47 GMT -5
How many blunts do I need to fucking roll for us all to smoke before we all chill the fuck out?
Seriously, I've been doing this for so long, I forgot when I started. I've never been a fan of drama, or politics(which is why I always make a reference in my characters that they don't play politics). This is turned into the biggest piece of bullshit I've ever seen. If people want to leave, or stay, it's their fucking choice. Nobody is making them. Now dammit, somebody smoke with me!
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Jan 26, 2012 12:16:46 GMT -5
Post by jaden on Jan 26, 2012 12:16:46 GMT -5
Alright, they are hot and yummy. (Pepperoni for those who care.) Let’s see here.. *cracks knuckles.
I deleted my account. I think that was obvious. I did it.. Because I am done. That’s pretty much it. I felt that it was time to move on. I keep in touch with the people I care about here for the most part through other means so it wasn’t an issue. Being a former owner here, I didn’t want to be one of “those guys” who hang around just to stir shit up on the boards. It’s just silly. Never did I ask anyone to follow me or any shit like that. I didn’t ever imply that people would leave over Jace either. This is a game, period. There is no need for hate. We have enough of that in this fucked up world, lol.
In my time here as an owner and competitor, I would like to think I have grown. I used to get fired up over shit. I don’t anymore. That said, I don’t understand this crap at all. I sent out a letter when the fed was closing down stating how I felt about this place. There was no secrets there. So with that, I will make this short and right to the point…
1) I knew why Phil left. I totally agree with him. I was the guy trying to recruit and contact people so he would not feel like he failed. Hardly anyone responded. Luckily, we had some loyal members here though.
2A) Natalie. (Kris)We spoke on AIM and supposedly buried this shit. You know, you act like I really scorned you. I did nothing personal to you, lol. I never hashed out that shit with Skyler with you because I had way more important real shit to worry over. I never meant to hurt you personally, not at all. It wasn’t worth working out because it would then become a debate and things would be brought back up. Bottom line is, the whole thing was a bad deal for both ends. Period. Why dwell on it? No one else is.
2B) Natalie.. Again. You know, Rob is right. This is just an observation. You seem to always either be involved or in the middle of every bit of drama we have here. I am just making an observation.. Remember that. It almost feels like you feed on it. If I remember correctly, it was you who lobbied for me to let people hash things out on the boards. You’re right, I made people keep it quiet. Did it cause the little kiddies to bitch and tell stories through AIM and emails about me? Probably. I don’t give a fuck, lol. I guess I don’t get as wrapped up in this shit as much as others. Rumors are going to fly no matter what when people do not get their way. It can't be helped. If you need to know though, it was Warrior who advised me MANY times to ask you guys to keep it off the boards. I trust his judgment, and so I did. I don't regret listening to him either. See? There goes one of the conspiracy theories debunked! Lol. Bottom line is, I think you should look inward before calling someone immature. We all have been douche bags here. I don’t see how Obi was being one at all though and I am not saying that as his brother. Lastly on this subject. Yes, I was told about your “history” prior to you joining. No, it was not just from one person. If I recall as well, you were banned in your first stay. It was I who lobbied to have you brought back. It was I who ignored any bullshit rumors about you. Yet I am supposedly one of the “old guard” you don’t trust? That’s funny. If you really wanna know how I feel, it isn’t about the “old guard” with you. It’s about who does and doesn’t kiss your ass. Just saying.
4) Chuck, you crack me up. In a good way, lol. No one will EVER accuse you of not speaking your mind. You were sort of off on your points but that is my fault. I didn’t really tell you shit so I take the blame. I didn’t see the need for it, I guess. So, good luck to you, man. You are a good writer and I hope you continue it.
5) Jace. Do I feel he should be staff? All you had to do was ask me? Lol. My answer is simple. Fuck no. He bounced in a douche bag manner. I told him this before, it is no secret. I am not mad at the dude personally. He is a crack up to talk to. I just feel that there is NO way in hell that he has “earned” trust as a staff here in 1 fucking month. Call me old school. I once waited 2 years to be staff. (Remember Warrior?) lol. So, just so you all know, I am not telling others to abort EUW over it. That’s silly. I just don’t agree with it is all. It’s my right as a human being to do so, lol.
6) I didn’t remove the graphics on the site out of spite. That was a fuck up on my half and bad timing.
7) That “old guard” shit is annoying and played out. It is frequently used by new people who hate working their way up the respect ladder. Terrible.
8) I have no problem with Warrior as an owner. Nick should know that I love him. I also know he hates drama. I left the way I did to respect his wishes.
So there you go. I honestly think people need to get out of their “character’s shoes” and see things for what they are. This is just a game. That’s it. When it isn’t fun, don’t stick around and ruin the game for others. I fully agree with that. I am not leaving with any anger over anyone or holding grudges. Life is too damn short, lol. Pretty simple, huh? Now, if anyone would like to know any “magical secret conspiracy” questions from me, feel free to ask. Let’s do it via PM though. Not because I want to be SECRET… but because Warrior doesn’t need this shit. This thread is angering others in this fed who are just here to write. You know?
You may not like my answer though, lol. As an owner, I had to swallow a lot of bullshit here and watch others backstab the fuck out of one another. You would think we actually got paid for this! lol. Do yourself a favor though. Just let it go.
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Jan 26, 2012 12:21:03 GMT -5
Post by jaden on Jan 26, 2012 12:21:03 GMT -5
One last thing...
LIL' JIMMY SAYS CONSPIRACIES ARE BAD!!!!!
(That you Jackal, lol)
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Jan 26, 2012 12:24:19 GMT -5
Post by Commissioner Warrior™ on Jan 26, 2012 12:24:19 GMT -5
And finally, specifically to Jaden. You hit the nail on the head in regards to my opinion on drama. You know that you and I have no beef. Take care, man.
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