November 17th SNV Feedback

[primetime]

Favorite Face:

Favorite Heel:

Favorite Match:

Favorite moment of the show:

Overall thoughts on show?

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Scorpion came up big and will not qualify for a shot at the number one contender spot! (Pure Division) AJ Valdez made a few threats in his direction though. Thoughts?

The Creep and Christian Stephens just can't seem to stay away from one another. This is starting to get ugly. Thoughts?

Something strange is going on backstage. Chad Kennedy and Kirk Kennedy seem to be playing the game form opposite ends of the field. Thoughts here? Where does Ash Mathews fit in?

Chuck Johnson and Diabolik squared off an an epic match. Then.. got drunk together! Will CJ party with the whole fed at one point?!

Roy Viper took the card he was dealt and made the best of it, gaining a win over The Creep. What is next for this star?

Brett Cross has seemingly lost it! Or has he?

Titan destroyed another victim inside of the cage, winning the right to face Chris Sabora for the World Championship. Yet, the web of deceit goes deeper as Titan reveals an ace in his deck with Sabora's daughter.. Allana Sabora. Thoughts?

Any final thoughts?


Head to the EUW Media Hub for the next card as well as updated news and info tomorrow!

[Mr. T]

Favorite Face: Brett Cross

Favorite Heel: TITAN

Favorite Match: Opening match

Favorite moment of the show: I liked the opening segment and the Brett Cross segments (nothing to do with my character making a cameo )

Overall thoughts on show?
As a newbie here I thought it would be really hard to get into the show but I found myself reading every segment and match. There looks like there is a lot of interesting stuff going on and the build is looking good already. I'm already looking forward to getting more of a feel for the fed and getting involved myself.

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Scorpion came up big and will not qualify for a shot at the number one contender spot! (Pure Division) AJ Valdez made a few threats in his direction though. Thoughts?
Mexican vs a crazy religious heel right? Sounds good to me.

The Creep and Christian Stephens just can't seem to stay away from one another. This is starting to get ugly. Thoughts?
It's hard to comment not knowing the history between the two characters but there was definitely some good build this show. I can see the two coming to blows very soon!

Something strange is going on backstage. Chad Kennedy and Kirk Kennedy seem to be playing the game form opposite ends of the field. Thoughts here? Where does Ash Mathews fit in?
Even from my newbie perspective this shocked me! Son of the CEO helping the guy thats trying to overthrow him? How could he?! I'm guessing both Chad and Ash Mathews are bad bad men.

Chuck Johnson and Diabolik squared off an an epic match. Then.. got drunk together! Will CJ party with the whole fed at one point?!
I can only hope so

Roy Viper took the card he was dealt and made the best of it, gaining a win over The Creep. What is next for this star?
Actual wrestling matches

Brett Cross has seemingly lost it! Or has he?
I don't know lol but I'm already a mark for this guy.

Titan destroyed another victim inside of the cage, winning the right to face Chris Sabora for the World Championship. Yet, the web of deceit goes deeper as Titan reveals an ace in his deck with Sabora's daughter.. Allana Sabora. Thoughts?
It definitely gives an extra edge to this potential match other than it just being for the title. I think it will lead to good things feud wise.

Any final thoughts?
Great show. Bring on my first match!

[The Cobra Viper]

Favorite Face: Sabora

Favorite Heel: Warrior

Favorite Match: Titan Vs 415

Favorite moment of the show: My stare down of the boss.

Overall thoughts on show?
Lots of twists and turns. Good PPV follow up

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Scorpion came up big and will not qualify for a shot at the number one contender spot! (Pure Division) AJ Valdez made a few threats in his direction though. Thoughts?

Good feud idea. Will push each other to title contention.

The Creep and Christian Stephens just can't seem to stay away from one another. This is starting to get ugly. Thoughts?

Hopefully Creep will show up for this feud or he'll have his skull bashed in.

Something strange is going on backstage. Chad Kennedy and Kirk Kennedy seem to be playing the game form opposite ends of the field. Thoughts here? Where does Ash Mathews fit in?

Felt very classic and set's up for a long term storyline combined with family feud. Might even split the locker room.

Chuck Johnson and Diabolik squared off an an epic match. Then.. got drunk together! Will CJ party with the whole fed at one point?!

If he can get Kendra to drink I'll be impressed. Then again to do that he'll have to survive Warrior first and that would be more impressive.

Roy Viper took the card he was dealt and made the best of it, gaining a win over The Creep. What is next for this star?

Tag Title run? Sara's training regiment? Saving the boss? IDK what's next why don't we ask the fans, put their suggestion in a hat and see what happens

Brett Cross has seemingly lost it! Or has he?

Did he have it to begin with? Let's face it we're all in wrestling sane people would do this.

Titan destroyed another victim inside of the cage, winning the right to face Chris Sabora for the World Championship. Yet, the web of deceit goes deeper as Titan reveals an ace in his deck with Sabora's daughter.. Allana Sabora. Thoughts?

Blood is thicker than water unless revenge is involved then it makes for good tv.

Any final thoughts?

Boxing really?

[primetime]

Thank you for the feedback thus far! Glad it came across well. Roy, lol. I am guessing you didn't like the boxing match idea. I pm'd you with my reasons for it. Rest assured.. it isn't a normal thing.

Anyway, anyone else?

[James]

I just want to give you a public pat on the back for this show Jaden. Coming off of the major PPV like Prestige a come-down is expected but there really wasn't one. Yes, there's a difference between a PPV and a Weekly Show, but the effort, the dedication and most importantly, the 'love' for EUW was present once again, and much of that is a result of you.

I also encourage everyone to leave feedback, even if it's just a small snippets or a what you liked/disliked so we can work on making certain that EUW continues to set the bar high.

[primetime]

Nov 14, 2010 23:08:35 GMT -5 James said:

I just want to give you a public pat on the back for this show Jaden. Coming off of the major PPV like Prestige a come-down is expected but there really wasn't one. Yes, there's a difference between a PPV and a Weekly Show, but the effort, the dedication and most importantly, the 'love' for EUW was present once again, and much of that is a result of you.

Thanks, Dante. It means a lot. I want every show to feel like a PPV to be honest. So I am glad it worked out well.

[hurricane]

So I can't review all of SNV because I don't feel like sittting for an hour typing on a phone but I figured Id take a sec and speak on my match.

To be completely honest I wasn't fond of the match at all. Now I know I wasn't able to write an rp and some may think that I have no room to complain but let it be known that I did write a promo for SNV before my internet went out so I believe I've earned a little freedom to speak.

To start with it seemed less of a match and more of the Dante Holly comedy minute. I think there's more Dante dialogue then there is match description. If there's gonna be a guest annoucer there should probably be a reason for the guest to be there. Instead it just seemed Dante suddenly appeared for no reason.

Second, I hated Creep interferring and more importantly getting another attack in on Christian. When someone adamently makes a point saying "you will never get a chance at me again" that statement kinda goes mute when the guy just suddenly shows up and beats the shit out of him. It shows that at any time it can happen again. It may not seem like a big deal but it really is. That single attack completely killed every bit of heat that Christian's promo created and while I can work around it the fued will never be as satisfying because building anticipation of when Creep will finally be able to get his hands on Christian is gone.

I understand the whole thing about no shows and whatnot but I think the whole double disqualification thing is weak. In my opinion when the issue of double no shows occcurs write it up not as both are losers but into a way that it progresses on going storylines.

Some may think I'm just angry or looking for special treatment but that's never been the case. My concern has always been the story development and its just kind of annoying to see something screw up a story that I was helping create. And to those who think that its no big deal, I'm sorry but you don't understand story development. What seems like a simple attack combined with the shoddy match/Dante Comedy minute write up has pretty much ruined a sure fire fued of the year candiate, if not winner, before it got started.

Sorry, X. I just call them like I see them and mean no disrespect to you. This is the first thing in my time back that I haven't liked and still think you've done a hell of job with what you had available.

[Diabolik]

Personally, I was fine with the Christian vs Eddie match. Dante was funny.

I will do a full feedback later.

[primetime]

Nov 15, 2010 2:49:57 GMT -5 @hurricane said:

So I can't review all of SNV because I don't feel like sittting for an hour typing on a phone but I figured Id take a sec and speak on my match.

To be completely honest I wasn't fond of the match at all. Now I know I wasn't able to write an rp and some may think that I have no room to complain but let it be known that I did write a promo for SNV before my internet went out so I believe I've earned a little freedom to speak.

To start with it seemed less of a match and more of the Dante Holly comedy minute. I think there's more Dante dialogue then there is match description. If there's gonna be a guest annoucer there should probably be a reason for the guest to be there. Instead it just seemed Dante suddenly appeared for no reason.

Second, I hated Creep interferring and more importantly getting another attack in on Christian. When someone adamently makes a point saying "you will never get a chance at me again" that statement kinda goes mute when the guy just suddenly shows up and beats the shit out of him. It shows that at any time it can happen again. It may not seem like a big deal but it really is. That single attack completely killed every bit of heat that Christian's promo created and while I can work around it the fued will never be as satisfying because building anticipation of when Creep will finally be able to get his hands on Christian is gone.

I understand the whole thing about no shows and whatnot but I think the whole double disqualification thing is weak. In my opinion when the issue of double no shows occcurs write it up not as both are losers but into a way that it progresses on going storylines.

Some may think I'm just angry or looking for special treatment but that's never been the case. My concern has always been the story development and its just kind of annoying to see something screw up a story that I was helping create. And to those who think that its no big deal, I'm sorry but you don't understand story development. What seems like a simple attack combined with the shoddy match/Dante Comedy minute write up has pretty much ruined a sure fire fued of the year candiate, if not winner, before it got started.

Sorry, X. I just call them like I see them and mean no disrespect to you. This is the first thing in my time back that I haven't liked and still think you've done a hell of job with what you had available.

Thanks for the feedback, bro. I will PM you so we can work out a means of salvaging it for you or at least making you feel better about it. I did not write your match this time around, but I stand by my match writers. They were just trying to add a little personal touch I think to the event based on the lack of roleplays for the match.I wont comment on any "feuds of the year" based on what I have seen thus far, but I do not deny that it really could have been great. It is the first show though, and things can easily be put right back on track. What's most important is that you and Creep feel good about the feud. So we will work on it.

What did you think about the rest of the show?

[The Sky King]

Favorite Face:
CJ. Getting more entertaining by the week.

Favorite Heel:
Scorpion.

Favorite Match:
415/Titan was cool. The CJ/Diabolik strap match was awesome, though.

Favorite moment of the show:

CJ and Diaboliks party. Stood out as the golden moment of humour in a show full of serious business.

Overall thoughts on show?
It was good. Could've used more promos from people, and the no-shows were shit..but with what you had to work with, you made a silk purse from a sows ear. Great work.
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Scorpion came up big and will not qualify for a shot at the number one contender spot! (Pure Division) AJ Valdez made a few threats in his direction though. Thoughts?
Will NOT?! Damn, I really want that match..Still, this feud could jettison both men up the rankings, so two thumbs way up.

The Creep and Christian Stephens just can't seem to stay away from one another. This is starting to get ugly. Thoughts?
Good. We need more feuds in this fed.

Something strange is going on backstage. Chad Kennedy and Kirk Kennedy seem to be playing the game form opposite ends of the field. Thoughts here? Where does Ash Mathews fit in?
Can't say anything yet, although I feel Ash Mathews may be both puppet and puppeteer in this power struggle.

Chuck Johnson and Diabolik squared off an an epic match. Then.. got drunk together! Will CJ party with the whole fed at one point?!
I hope so! Ales so tame, CJ, Mr. Luck can bring the single malt whisky, now that'll put hairs on your chest!

Roy Viper took the card he was dealt and made the best of it, gaining a win over The Creep. What is next for this star?
Well, he knocked out Creep faster than Haye KOd Harrison, so maybe he'll be going for the WBA Heavyweight Title soon? But a huge win for him, so well done.

Brett Cross has seemingly lost it! Or has he?
I'm waiting to see how this pans out. It's definitely a nice backstory running through EUW at the moment, and i'm thoroughly enjoying it.

Titan destroyed another victim inside of the cage, winning the right to face Chris Sabora for the World Championship. Yet, the web of deceit goes deeper as Titan reveals an ace in his deck with Sabora's daughter.. Allana Sabora. Thoughts?
Sounds like this could burst into a raw, emotional feud. It needs to be built up perfectly by both men though, as this feud WILL be at the helm of the shows. I expect nothing less from writers of their caliber.


Any final thoughts?
Umm..yeah, did you actually get my promo? I'm pretty sure I sent it..

[primetime]

Sorry phil, your promo was lost in the pack and I didn't see it until it was too late. I truly am sorry.

[The Sky King]

It's alright, I understand how hectic it must have been putting the show together, writing some matches and scrambling some comprehensible results and outcomes together with the no-shows, so it's no problem, friend. Can you include it in the next show instead?

[primetime]

I sure can.

If possible, would you resend it to ensure that I have it on the top of my PM list? Thanks in advance.

[jackbull]

Nov 15, 2010 2:49:57 GMT -5 @hurricane said:

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To be completely honest I wasn't fond of the match at all. Now I know I wasn't able to write an rp and some may think that I have no room to complain but let it be known that I did write a promo for SNV before my internet went out so I believe I've earned a little freedom to speak.

I understand the whole thing about no shows and whatnot but I think the whole double disqualification thing is weak. In my opinion when the issue of double no shows occcurs write it up not as both are losers but into a way that it progresses on going storylines.

I have to step in and disagree here. We switched to a bi-weekly schedule (remind me Jaden, who's fucking awesome idea was that? :D ) specifically to help combat a lack of characters, people getting worn out and no shows.

Everyone has two weeks to promo, so no showing because of all but the most extreme reasons becomes a mute excuse. Your internet cut out this week, but you had all last week to promo as well. Look at Chuck Johnson for this show, getting in early.

The fact that there was a match is more than enough. The fact that it didn't end in a lame double count out is enough. The fact that a storyline was pushed and re-enforced is more than it deserved.

Some may think I'm just angry or looking for special treatment but that's never been the case. My concern has always been the story development and its just kind of annoying to see something screw up a story that I was helping create. And to those who think that its no big deal, I'm sorry but you don't understand story development. What seems like a simple attack combined with the shoddy match/Dante Comedy minute write up has pretty much ruined a sure fire fued of the year candiate, if not winner, before it got started.

Woah there Bob. We've had soem good feuds so far this year. Nothing is "sure fire". Personally I think your storyline could have been dumped from the card or maybe dropped entirely due to the no show element present for this show, but luckily it is still going. I think you just need to let the initial rage subside for a bit and get a chilled perspective.

[Diabolik]

Nov 15, 2010 2:49:57 GMT -5 @hurricane said:

Second, I hated Creep interferring and more importantly getting another attack in on Christian. When someone adamently makes a point saying "you will never get a chance at me again" that statement kinda goes mute when the guy just suddenly shows up and beats the shit out of him. It shows that at any time it can happen again. It may not seem like a big deal but it really is. That single attack completely killed every bit of heat that Christian's promo created and while I can work around it the fued will never be as satisfying because building anticipation of when Creep will finally be able to get his hands on Christian is gone.

The way I see it, that actually made the feud more interesting. It's less of a game of cat and mouse "hey look, Christian escaped again" and more like these two men will try to destroy and sabotage each other whenever they can. It made both men seem more equal, and added a whole new power dynamic to it. I felt that Creep attacking Christian after the match was a good play, because, well, lets face it, who wouldn't be pissed off after the attack from earlier? It evened out the playing field, showed both men as being an even enough match, and did something quite interesting too. Normally, revenge would only come on a wrestling show a week later, or at the next show, whenever it may be. This time it had the revenge happen very quickly, and, quite frankly, it could go either way. Makes you feel both men should be ready for anything from each other.

That's just what I thought.

Nov 15, 2010 2:49:57 GMT -5 @hurricane said:

And to those who think that its no big deal, I'm sorry but you don't understand story development.

Actually, as a matter of fact, I do. I understand story development perfectly well, and so do many, many other people here at EUW, including Jack Bull and Jaden. Hell, look at the stories they've both had going for them, and then you speak down on them and say they don't understand story development? If anything, you should've had a back-up plan just in case anything went slightly awry. You can always work your way around it. If you're so good at story development, then it shouldn't be a hard task.

[James]

Nov 15, 2010 2:49:57 GMT -5 @hurricane said:

To start with it seemed less of a match and more of the Dante Holly comedy minute. I think there's more Dante dialogue then there is match description. If there's gonna be a guest annoucer there should probably be a reason for the guest to be there. Instead it just seemed Dante suddenly appeared for no reason.

The latter part was a small mix-up between Jaden and myself, and I take the blame for that. When I came to EUW it was to help it get back off it's feet, when I joined staff it was to help Jaden out if he needed it. This week, as he said, he needed aid so I took the match, but I didn't know how he was going to format things introducing the guest announcers etc. so left that part to him, but forgot to say so in my note to him.

As far as the Dante Holly comedy minute, that's what he always has been. From lol-cats, to stars and garters, to the nubile puzzo's. He's never been a serious character and it's fit. I wrote the match and one of my beliefs is that weekly shows aren't about the 'wrestling' but in selling the characters, the development you speak of further in your post.

I know personally I couldn't care less about armbars and bodyslams (although in this match the bodyslam mattered) but more in how my character gets put over. Neither Laurel or Stephens were power-wrestlers so I couldn't use the match 'action' to do that, so tried using the commentary.

I tried to get Stephens over by setting him up as someone Dante, who everyone loves, looked up to, only for him to 'break his heart' by stealing his move. It's very basic but I know if I'm a Dante fan, I'd hate to see scum like Stephens using his move thus putting him over as a heel and advancing his character.

Could I have potentially added more to the match, maybe, however most people here know (at least I think) that I'm a varsity athlete in University that takes up a solid, solid chunk of my time. I was late handing the match into Jaden and actually wrote it a solid portion of it during the week on my cell phone in the ten minutes between class, or fifteen minute breaks in between homework.

[primetime]

Thanks for the feedback guys! I am going to lock this thread to avoid any arguments that may spur from the responses. I want you all to remember, this is just for fun, right? I took no offense to the things that were said at all. I asked for feedback and well.. I got it. That's fine with me.

Let's make the next show epic as always. We got this.